tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post7629047632810214289..comments2024-03-02T20:43:21.208-08:00Comments on NewVintageLady: Patterns I'm sick of seeing: Special EditionShelleyjhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05223944949880318245noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-76704248529569800942021-01-14T20:35:43.885-08:002021-01-14T20:35:43.885-08:00I have made TWO attempts of 6015 & they are g...I have made TWO attempts of 6015 & they are genuinely a terrible pattern. The front panel rides and bunches at the front with every step to the point that I ends up adding a back panel just to keep it in place so the overskirt didn’t move it around. I can see a wrap dress working as a housecoat(without any underskirt piece) , perhaps, but Noooot out in public. Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17473418508367505543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-3199135948647069562020-11-26T17:47:23.135-08:002020-11-26T17:47:23.135-08:00Wow. It wasn't just me...Wow. It wasn't just me...<br />Material Excesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15000108491402105094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-70454404990505283822019-07-17T22:08:13.349-07:002019-07-17T22:08:13.349-07:00I just stumbled on your blog when trolling through...I just stumbled on your blog when trolling through things on etsy and this post in particular caught my eye, if you don't mind my adding my two cents so long after it was posted. I've eyed this pattern for years and couldn't bring myself to buy it or make one. I like it, or the idea of it, but...something always stopped me. I think it's the fact that it's two separate pieces instead of one piece, ie: a top and bottom attached to each other. That and the fact that I haven't had much of a waist since four babies and many, many, many years ago, lol. <br /><br />It actually reminds me of a very ancient dress from Denmark or Norway or somewhere I once saw in a book just about as many years ago as my waist disappeared. It was a basic strip of material put on over the head (like a poncho), the front strip had straps that passed under the arms to tie in the back and then the back strip fastened in front the same way. This seemed a very practical way to wear it as very little would be exposed in the wind, and it was also worn over another plain tunic with long sleeves.<br /><br />Anyway, you made up my mind about this one and I don't think I'll be trying it now, thanks!! mamafroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13215031912797290210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-89215941083882501432017-03-19T13:04:06.078-07:002017-03-19T13:04:06.078-07:00I was actually looking at that dress as a first at...I was actually looking at that dress as a first attempt at vintage sewing, because it looked like it would be easy to size up. Thank you for saving me from frustration and disappointment!Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14615967840314010136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-52108451628932617352015-06-20T13:15:07.709-07:002015-06-20T13:15:07.709-07:00The only thing I want to 'wrap' myself in ...The only thing I want to 'wrap' myself in is a vintAge, mink, diamonds or robe!~bonVintage~https://www.blogger.com/profile/06468902993110043873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-71312589117133602202015-03-26T01:29:36.827-07:002015-03-26T01:29:36.827-07:00Great post. Wish I'd seen it before I tried th...Great post. Wish I'd seen it before I tried this pattern. Its terrible!Traceyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05509492213836220873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-5280643329884556902015-02-22T15:46:12.232-08:002015-02-22T15:46:12.232-08:00Thank you, once again, Miss Shelly for reminding u...Thank you, once again, Miss Shelly for reminding us there have always been women of size and substance. Bravo!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04700758717630560514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-67234173183275066592015-02-22T13:10:17.860-08:002015-02-22T13:10:17.860-08:00Anne, no they were not! These dresses were intende...Anne, no they were not! These dresses were intended to be wear around doing chores running errands dresses. Not many ladies were doing dishes in corsets in the 50s. The sizing for them went up to 42" in the bust, that is not a small size.Shelleyjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05223944949880318245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-12074219869584404992015-02-22T09:22:03.881-08:002015-02-22T09:22:03.881-08:00These are designs from the 1950's, for waist s...These are designs from the 1950's, for waist sizes in the low 20s, Dior's New Look - of course they aren't going to work when sized up, they were intended for slender, corseted women. Anne Croucherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09752603703514046046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-20289486437740613092015-02-12T00:42:43.192-08:002015-02-12T00:42:43.192-08:00Tehe. No wrap dresses for me ever, I don't dar...Tehe. No wrap dresses for me ever, I don't dare to move in them. I just found your blog, but had to comment here. <br />My Gran financed a new water heater in the fifties by altering all those wrap dresses neighbouring ladies made into aprons and skirts. She was quite famous in her village for getting two or three fitting garments out of them without further waste of notions. She even got the walk away wearable once, by designing a linen shift to which the dress could be fastened, with lots of french tack ties. I remember the story fondly, since she'd retell it when we looked at old photographs - the scraps she kept and used for flounces, ruffles, pockets, cuffs etc. for herself and her girls, and would gladly tell which ladies paid for the fabric... I guess that's why you don't see them vintage, they were worn once and then cut up! <br />I really like your style, clothing and writing!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00524138070040413015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-86611299536046714462013-10-14T21:44:40.926-07:002013-10-14T21:44:40.926-07:00My one and only experience of wearing a vintage wr...My one and only experience of wearing a vintage wrap dress was horrendous. I was a movie extra in the remake of Charlotte's Web. My dress for the fair scene was a vintage housedress from the 40's or 50's with a back wrap. The dress kept blowing open despite the number of safety pins I put in it. I was so afraid of ruining the dress or my bum being on show that it spoiled my enjoyment of the making of the movie.<br />So glad that I found your blog before I got suckered into making one of these dresses for my daughters. PS I think a lot of the really vintage dresses are in the wardrobes of the big movie makers waiting for a period film to be made. Either that or the originals were cut up for children's clothing when the dressmaker realised they were an impossible dress to wear. Waste not want not mentality was big back then and you couldn't justify wasting 4-5 yards of good fabric.Enjoyed your blog.:)<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-43864739356950585482013-02-04T14:44:30.847-08:002013-02-04T14:44:30.847-08:00I've made 6015 repeatedly. I wear them all sum...I've made 6015 repeatedly. I wear them all summer and I get lots of compliments. I found it to be very easy. Theresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08522314976161914284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-11753259296487741862012-05-25T10:17:06.725-07:002012-05-25T10:17:06.725-07:00Hey Melissa,
I appreciate your analysis on the top...Hey Melissa,<br />I appreciate your analysis on the topic. And I understand what you are saying about choosing a garment that fits your style of body, as I have done so in my Stout Revolution posts, and about choosing the right bra as Ive posted about many, many, many times. So the stuff I was being criticized for by Unknown were indeed things I have covered before.<br /><br />My point with this post was to deflate the romance of this horrible pattern. It does not fit on any body type (as links I have posted in the story equate). People of all shapes have had severe issues with this pattern. If a pattern requires a complete rework, its a bad pattern. THAT is my point. So yes, I did find Unkown's comments a bit insulting, especially since what I was being criticized on was stuff I've talked about many times before on this blog.<br /><br />I am honored that you consider me a teacher in the realm of sewing. I don't hold myself up to such high regard. :) Im just a student of a lot of online research and trial and error. I need and want to learn so much. But this is also my personal blog, where I document the things I have learned and voice my opinions as freely as I choose, and I welcome people to debate back, but don't think I wont offer a rebuttal.<br /><br />I craft my responses very carefully on this blog, try and cite as much reference as possible, and offer opinion commentary in a structured measured way. I won't take responsibility for how people perceive that.<br /><br />Wow, this has been some stellar discussion! Thank you all!Shelleyjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05223944949880318245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-78207319520399478592012-05-23T15:33:44.802-07:002012-05-23T15:33:44.802-07:00As for the bra comment... I was taught, and I tell...As for the bra comment... I was taught, and I tell my students, that great fit starts with well-fitting undergarments and I suggest to them that before they start fitting a pattern they treat themselves to a bra-fitting and a new bra, because they don't want to finish their project, buy a new bra and find the garment darts no longer point to the body landmarks they used to (like the bust apex)and all the fitting they did is for naught. <br /><br />In my experience (and this is from years of working in retail store fitting rooms, teaching sewing and dressing in locker rooms) women do not buy new bras as often as they should. I would conservatively estimate that I have seen over a thousand women in their bras and most of them were not getting the support from their bras that they could have if the cup fabric was not stretched out. Large breasted women tend to not buy bras often because their bras are more expensive, but their bras stretch out faster because their breasts weigh more and that weight stretches out the cup fabric faster. I understand this intimately because I have gone from a C-cup to a G-cup in the last ten years. The solution for me has been to make my own bras because once I got the pattern to fit (which didn't take so long as you might imagine) I could make a bra in two hours or so, faster than I could make a trip to the mall and go looking for something that might not be there.<br /><br />I don't think Unknown meant to insult you by saying you need to invest in a proper bra. I think she meant a fitting by a bra expert might provide you with more support and a different shape that you are getting currently from the bras you have written about on your blog. On August 20, 2011 you wrote about creating a "leisure bra", as you called it, not an everyday bra, in part one of your series on sewing your reproduction bra pattern. The same day you posted part two, which showed you were making the bras in woven, stable fabrics, period materials, not modern materials. Bra design and materials have come a long way since this pattern was designed. I also found you've written (July 21, 2010) about changing the elastic on a purchased bra you wanted to get some more use out of it, but noted you did not think the cups were in need of refurbishing. (I wondered when I first read the 7/21/10 post if this was a bra that had not gotten much wear, because I would think a well-loved, and therefore well-worn, bra would have stretched out cups.) It seems to me that your coverage of bras, bra-fitting and bra-making is not comprehensive and I'd like to see you write further on the subject.<br /> <br />Sincerely,<br />Melissa BrownMelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06167158263312210595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-41511355803191573102012-05-23T15:32:06.576-07:002012-05-23T15:32:06.576-07:00Dear Shelley,
I want you to know I thought long a...Dear Shelley,<br /><br />I want you to know I thought long and hard about placing a comment here. In the end I decided to because I have really enjoyed reading your blog (to be clear, I have read your blog from the first post to the most recent) and I think I can offer you and your other readers some valuable feedback.<br /><br />I'm a professional pattern maker and my analysis is that the design of the pattern(s) you have discussed in this blog is problematical. All wrap-around styles are inherently problematical when it comes to fit because the fabric that is not anchored by seams in areas stressed by movement will shift and gape when the garment is worn: In short, when the body moves the garment won't necessarily move with it. (I could easily give you 2,000+ words on the details of the problems with this design, but I'd like to keep this comment short.)<br /><br />I don't understand your reaction to Unknown's comment. You have pointed out in your blog a couple times that all styles do not flatter all body shapes. And you are an experienced seamstress who knows that if the silhouette of a garment pattern doesn't start out following the lines of the body it is being fit to, the process of fitting the pattern to the body will change the pattern silhouette to match the body's silhouette: In other words, if you fit a shift dress to a person with an hour-glass figure in order to flatter their figure, you won't have a shift silhouette anymore, you will have an hour-glass silhouetted sheath dress. (So why put yourself through all the hassle of converting or altering the pattern to a new style/design? Why not start out with a pattern for an hour-glass shaped sheath dress, tweak the fitting and save yourself time and effort?)<br /><br />I have a figure and measurements quite similar to yours and I would not expect Butterick 6015, or one of its many iterations, to be flattering to my figure. I would expect that by the time I was happy with the fit, the style/design would have significantly changed, basically morphed into a new one, so I would have been better off choosing a pattern with a silhouette closer to my own in the first place. And this is what I think Unknown was telling you. I don't think she was trying to insult you.<br /><br />You and I as sewing mentors/teachers have a responsibility to our students to teach them to analyze their choices/options before they begin sewing, going way back to when they pick the pattern, in order that they will be happy with their results, enjoy sewing and, I would hope, continue to sew. One of the ways we can do this is to encourage them to choose pattern styles that complement their shape without major alterations. For instance, I would not encourage a sew-er with a slim build and small waist to make a garment that doesn't follow her body's lines because she would be enveloped in all that fabric. It would not flatter her, so she probably wouldn't wear it and she might decide sewing is not for her because she is so disappointed in the results of her efforts.Melhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06167158263312210595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-23382627552051490732012-05-21T12:18:43.939-07:002012-05-21T12:18:43.939-07:00Okay, Unknown, first off, you should check the dat...Okay, Unknown, first off, you should check the date of a post before you comment. Second off, if you are going to insult me, you should say who you are.<br /><br />A few points.<br /><br />1) Its a terrible dress, regardless of body type as I said in the post and have linked to throughout the post. Please read the content, not just skim.<br /><br />2) If that was your quaint way of saying I'm too fat to wear this dress then just say that. Im not too stupid to read through thinly veiled insults.<br /><br />3) I'm not 'knocking' this dress because you think Im too fat to wear it or that I apparently cant get it to fit me properly because it was not made for me. The dress is terribly designed, period. The consciences is overwhelming, which is the reason I wrote this post, which I gather you didn't READ.<br /><br />4) As for the bra part, Im not even going to get into that. You obviously have not read my blog and what, created a log in just to comment on this post? <br /><br />So yeah, the dress still stinks and nothing you have said has changed my mind.Shelleyjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05223944949880318245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-40541607108134326482012-05-20T21:08:21.758-07:002012-05-20T21:08:21.758-07:00Alright, I am going to be a bad guy out here among...Alright, I am going to be a bad guy out here among the other posters, but - my dear, I think you need to look a bit more into patterns that can be tailored to fit your body type. A dress like that is not meant to be worn and flatter the curves that the powers that be saw fit to give you with. Don't get me wrong, you have fantastic curves, but that means taking the responsibility to understand what will flatter your type and what will not. <br /><br />Do not knock the "I am sick of seeing" card on a dress that does not fit you because you didn't take the time to consider the body that you have. :P (Also, you really need to invest in a proper bra. It might help with some fitting issues.)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04020500553413858502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-44638039671067248862012-02-08T20:42:57.972-08:002012-02-08T20:42:57.972-08:00and I thought I was the only one.....thank you, ne...and I thought I was the only one.....thank you, new Vintage lady!woolywomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14798060848062776281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-75152589672570975402011-10-08T04:05:03.970-07:002011-10-08T04:05:03.970-07:00I found a 1954 example of the walkaway dress in my...I found a 1954 example of the walkaway dress in my rummaging around the Australian Women's Weekly:<br />http://vivatvintage.tumblr.com/post/6366763700/the-secrets-out-with-new-miracle-fibre-vilene<br /><br />It has a stand-up collar in the design and it looks like, as the ad says, the secret is a lot of Vilene interlining!Harpyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10452128299643756272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-20057514904174332042011-09-01T03:47:26.690-07:002011-09-01T03:47:26.690-07:00I make things to get my own opinion.I have come to...I make things to get my own opinion.I have come to a conclusion about all styles "THAT NOT EVERY STYLE SUITS EVERYONE"!!!!!! First of all if it was not for a sew along I did for fun I admit I would of never of touched it .<br />1- I did not like the muslin fit I made from the original <br /> the back slouched on me the shoulders too wide and btw that is crazy because I am 5'8 and inherited broad shoulders from my German grandma and thought who has shoulders like this ?! Then again we all have different body shapes...my torso is shorter and my legs are long! so I had to shorten the shoulders so it would fit right .The back did not fit right either.<br />Yes I saw all the various variations of this dress.<br />Many were hideous ! I actually did a second look at one because the girl who complained about it used the same size cut (I did originally) complained it did not fit her but I realized at how she tried to finish the centre front with a corset type lace up it clearly was not the right sizing from the beginning.The bust was way too large on me ! I had to alter that as well !:(<br />But I have seen some stellar examples ...lol mind you not many ! I did not do an underskirt for mine like the sew along suggested because realistically I would not be walking around with a puffed skirt.<br />here are the "stellar" examples I speak about <br />http://www.edelweisspatterns.com/blog/?p=750 <br />http://www.flickr.com/photos/62011444@N07/5644870709/in/set-72157626432054425/<br />i don't like the idea it feels like something can come loose and you would be exposed at the back!lol so it is a dress for the house ..i would recreate this so that it is a full sheath dress with a fully removable skirt.TTC AGAIN IUIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07419833298504461455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-46436515468704814792011-07-22T16:44:45.833-07:002011-07-22T16:44:45.833-07:00I know many people have already read the post, but...I know many people have already read the post, but Katrina @ Edelweiss Patterns Blog recently made up this dress with the necessary adjustments (with suggestions from Pati Palmer) to make it look as close as possible to an actual 1950s silhouette. I think it looks great, but then again I'm not the best seamstress or period knowledgeable.<br /><br />Check it out:<br />http://www.edelweisspatterns.com/blog/?p=552Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-22258739285672397562011-06-09T17:44:29.975-07:002011-06-09T17:44:29.975-07:00I love this post, I've been laughing ever sinc...I love this post, I've been laughing ever since I read it! HATE the stupid walkaway dress, it never, ever works. When I read about people who have made it and says it's easy, I know they are lying! I love the 'urban legend' - why don't you ever see this dress in second-hand stores? I also have never met a sewer of my mother's generation who have made that dumb dress...coming out crookedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01546715543419514961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-40733613326086679202011-02-24T23:46:56.532-08:002011-02-24T23:46:56.532-08:00Thanks for this post. I bought the pattern - yes.....Thanks for this post. I bought the pattern - yes.....and was wondering why I never saw a good made up version. Now I'm starting to understand why...Suellenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15119673776412640361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-8791355893196527722010-10-31T17:49:53.160-07:002010-10-31T17:49:53.160-07:00What would be a good option for a plus sized begin...What would be a good option for a plus sized beginner sewer like me? I kinda thought these styles might be it (esp walkaway dress) but alas I take your point. I imagined that my small waist/large bust and hips would make it work but now I don't know...<br />BTW although this is my first comment I read your wonderful site religiously :-)Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17563008162153497018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3370970170301288861.post-91367524902254385122010-10-27T06:34:27.331-07:002010-10-27T06:34:27.331-07:00I actually made two of Butterick 6015, one summer ...I actually made two of Butterick 6015, one summer dress and one Christmas dress (novelty print). I wore the Christmas dress and discovered that the ridiculous weight of the back would pull down, and the tight fit of the front skirt would creep up, so I had to keep adjusting it all night to avoid choking. Put the summer dress in the quilting stash without wearing it once, and turned the Christmas dress into a Christmas apron, which gets a lot of wear. I think I still have the pattern, but I really don't know why.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12661965780832055117noreply@blogger.com